The World – You Are Being Lied To About Julian Assange

What has WikiLeaks done? Here is a list of just a few things listed by comedian Lee Camp.

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  1. Jake Gittes
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    Any RT videos critical of Russia available?

    I’d be real curious if any exist….

    And for any current defenders of Wikileaks, please share the exact reference to a specific posting of theirs you personally found enlightening…

    Don’t be shy….

  2. Jake Gittes
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    How does this apparent “arms length” relationship differ from the “arms length” relationship between Jeff Bezos, and the Washington Post?

    They both have owners with (according to whom you ask) an “agenda”….

    What is “good for the goose”, etc, and “you can’t have it both ways”

    Besides, from what I have read ALL “RT” studios are outside of Russia – even though it is all owned by the Russian government..

  3. William Olesky
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    RT hasn’t been around all that long. It started up around the time of the South Ossetia crisis, where the difference in reporting between RT and the North American media could not have been more stark. In “the fullness of time” as they say, RT’s reporting proved far more accurate. My wife and I both said, almost simultaneously, that RT could never be allowed to air in North America. I am delighted that it actually is, but I doubt for very much longer. I would not discount reporting from RT out of hand anymore than I would discount the reporting from the CBC out of hand. I do not judge a story or article’s veracity by its source. No one should. The vast majority of commentators on RT are not Russian. Abbey Martin severally criticized Russia and Putin on camera, and today bristles at any suggestion that RT “controls the message”. But you have to understand, it will present from a Russian perspective as CBC presents from a Canadian perspective. That said, their public affairs is presented more in the style of a university seminar than regular western style broadcast, and you can very easily establish the veracity of the discussion with your own follow-up. We need more broadcasters like RT.

  4. William Olesky
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    Jake Gittes, have you actually watched RT?

  5. Jake Gittes
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    WO… yes, why do you think I have the opinion I do of them?

    Would you accept ‘state media’ from Myanmar, Zimbabwe or China?

    I will repeat.

    RT is never critical of Russia. Even the CBC who I loath, will visit a remote community in Canada and talk about how the country is failing it….but RT? Everything is beautiful and perfect in Russia.

    Try reading the buzzfeed article I posted.

  6. william olesky
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    I don’t know why you present the opinion you do.

    I will just say this and leave it at that.

    I don’t see how you could have an opinion like that if you do watch them.

    Is BBC not state media? CBC? How about NHK? The myriad of French broadcasters and do I have to go on?

    I will concede this. The Journal of Democracy has determined that RT is biased and censored. And the Journal of Democracy is an official publication of the National Endowment for Democracy’s International Forum for Democratic Studies. The National Endowment for Democracy (NED) is a CIA-backed U.S. non-profit soft power organization that was founded in 1983. Isn’t that what is really going on? Information wars in the context of geopolitical struggle.

    I have never seen RT international services declare that everything is beautiful and perfect in Russia. Who told you that? Where did they ever say that? You say it isn’t critical of Russia. Their Russian language service sure is including Yulia Shapovalova who broadcasts on both services.

    RT International’s function I suspect is to confront western propaganda. And with an incredibly small budget it does just that. Perhaps they broadcast a narrative you are uncomfortable with. That is probably the point.

  7. Jake Gittes
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    WO….So no response as to what your favorite “Wikileaks” passage is…I was expecting that…Its’ like the number of people who attended “woodstock”….many time more than actual number of people who went….The fact is, I have never run across anyone who has actually read anything in ‘Wikileaks”, but there sure are a lot of supporters who absolutely know it is worthwhile.

    (FYI – “wikileaks” is a virtually unreadable dump – on most high profile subjects – owing to the fact it is unedited – hint “not journalism.” Why don’t you try, read some, and come up with some initial impressions…

    And yes, I have pointed out before that the CBC is ‘state media’, which is why I avoid it. If I want to know what the Liberal party policy on something is, I will go to their website directly. If the CBC is not creating the story, it is either shaping it, or ignoring it..The discrepancy in coverage on the SNC – Lavelin between it, and the rest of the media was astounding…As I posted the other day, if you only followed the CBC, you would have thought that someone getting a paving contract in Brandon Manitoba from a relative was a bigger scandal…

    Did you read any of the links I posted, or are you afraid of reading something that will conflict with your worldview?

    And as for Russia, have you ever heard of Alexander Navalny?

    He has done much to talk about the Oligarchy that Putin has created in contemporary Russia..

    Here is one that is most interesting:

    I will say one thing that in Russia that is the opposite of the west. The west has sanctioned the Oligarchs in Russia, thinking they will put pressure on Putin to relent on Ukraine, Crimea etc., if they can’t easily visit their villas in Spain, or Italy, or their homes in London…But that is upside down…Unlike the west, where the rich own/support the politicians, in Russia, it is the politicians or mostly Putin, who allows the Oligarchs to exist, by granting licenses, and selling state assets to them on the cheap, in exchange for support.

    Most oligarchs were minor factory managers a couple decades ago, living in small apartments, before they made off with state assets at bargain prices, as Yeltsin allowed things to crumble…As Mikhail Khodorkovsky (owner/founder of Yukos) found out, if Putin wants you in jail for any number of crimes, it will happen in a blink….all your assets stripped, etc.

  8. William Olesky
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    The oligarchs as you say were installed under Yeltsin, much to the approval of the United States. This is important – approval is putting it mildly. They represent corruption, pure and simple.

    That Putin has sought out economic reforms is not controversial. Look at the state of Russia at the time of Gorbachev. Compare that to Yeltsin. Compare that to today. Those reforms could not have been accomplished without curbing the powers of the oligarchs who, make no mistake, wield tremendous but illegitimate power in Russia. And they make no bones about it.

    When Putin fails to bring oligarchs to heel, he is accused of corruption. When he takes measures against them (and that is no small thing), then they become symbols of free enterprise, of freedom of speech or freedom of religion. For the most part they are murderers and thugs. Putin’s hand to deal with them is not as strong as you may think. And the west, when it suits them, can complain that Russia does not manifest the spirit, philosophy or institutions of the G7 which, as we know, are the product of a completely different history and intellectual undertaking. And in any event none of that would matter anyway if Russia assumed vassal subservience to the United States, as United States diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks reveal that Canada has permanently disposed itself to assume the position of “Robin” to the US “Batman”.

    Russia is a wonderful country with a brutal history. It is tough as hell to understand, especially in the context of all this geopolitical nonsense.

    I am deeply saddened for what is happening to her.

    I will conclude our conversations hoping that we can both agree on at least that.

  9. Jake Gittes
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    Mr. Olesky, with a name like yours (assuming accurate) you should have perhaps ask why your ancestors decided to leave that part of the world (regardless of direct origin (Russian? Polish? Ukrainian? Slovak?, etc), virtually all Slavs have lived under some type of autocracy through most of their history),. That the people and geography are “wonderful” is a given (but ultimately, aren’t all peoples, and countries?), but the culture, (as I well know) is one of suspicion, corruption, and secrets. It doesn’t matter who is in charge.

    Is the west perfect? Not by a long shot…But do opposition members or journalists end up dead at the rate they do in Russia? No, or at least not yet.

    Transparency international rates Russia at something like 138 out of 180 countries, which is appalling (It surprisingly was better under Yeltsin)

    The government owns 90% of the press (including RT, etc). I don’t have to know any more, to see that it is not a trusted source.

    Yes, the CBC, BBC, etc., are state media, but there is also a large private (or in the case of NPR/PBS in the USA user supported) media, to balance it, and also “keep them honest”), but there is virtually no equivalent in Russia.

    World press freedom ranks Russia 149 out of 180 in countries:

    I try to back everything up with research, and impartial sources, not just my opinion…Is RT fun to watch? Yes. Does it ask a lot of good questions? Yes…However, I will ask that you look at 60 Minutes on CBS in the USA..I used to be a big fan – until I read how they pioneered “gotcha journalism” (they have dropped it)..if you stand outside someones’ door as they are heading to work that day, and ask them a collection of surprise, “when did you stop beating your wife” questions – ANYTHING they say will look guilty, incriminating, and bad.

    I raise that issue, to point out the general tone of RT (and FOX in the USA) is of for them moment, but like fast food, ultimately bad for you.

    Sad for Russia? My ancestors left behind family members that were shipped of to Siberia after their land was confiscated…..before that, some were shot for resisting the draft in the Czars army…it has always been a sad place….what changes is who is on the receiving end, and who is on the giving end….the sadness stays the same.

  10. Jake Gittes
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    One other thing about Russia..Along with China, it is making efforts to create a “firewall” for the internet, such the people will not have access to the outside world. This is far, far more advanced in China, but Russia is making moves..

    I ask, how can one trust a “news source” from a country that won’t trust its’ own people to judge what it sees, or reads?

    And if you are going to say “well, all they are blocking is the Wests’ corporatist, CIA sponsored propaganda,”, then you are naive indeed.

    In Hedrick Smith’s 1973 book, “the Russians”, he relayed an old joke that demonstrates how one may not even be able to see how they are closed in..

    “An American, and Russian are in Moscow, arguing about freedom of speech. The American says, I can get up on a podium, in Washington, and criticize the US president, all I want, and nothing will happen to me. The Russian says, ‘same here, we have freedom of speech. I can get up on a podium in Moscow, and criticize the US president all I want, as well'”…

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